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sophia_sol) wrote2011-06-01 10:23 pm
sophia_sol) wrote2011-06-01 10:23 pm
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THOR. By which I mean LOKI.
So sentientcitizen and I finally had the chance to go out and see Thor. And OH MY GOD THOR.
Ahhhhh SO AWESOME. By which I mean, kind of ridiculous in a lot of ways, and yet I LOVED IT.
Mostly I loved the characters. Blah blah blah plot, WHATEVS.
I have to start out with, well LOKI. I went in trying not to get my hopes up too much, and also trying not to be biased, despite the things I had already spoilered myself about, but I was pretty much a goner. LOKI OMG. He needs a hug and someone to tell him that they love him. Preferably lots of times. Preferably when he was still a kid too. He just wants to be loved! And to know someone's proud of him for who he is! That is a totally reasonable request, yo!
And okay, okay, he maybe didn't choose the most responsible way of trying to get attention. And by "not the most responsible" I mean "tried to commit genocide". Um. In his defense his brother wanted to originally too?
Anyways! Loki's little faaace being all tragic and NEEDING LOVE.
And not gonna lie, I was thinking "you bastard" in an admiring tone at more than one point in the movie. Because he was kind of a magnificent bastard.
But the thing is, Loki does all these things and sets so many plans in play not because he's evil, or because he wants Asgard taken over by the Frost Giants, or anything like that. He just wants to MAKE PEOPLE LOVE HIM.
ALSO. BEFORE I STOP TALKING ABOUT LOKI. ALKHDFLKSDHFOLJHDKHFR HE LET GO OF THE SPEAR THINGY. LOKIIIIIIIIIIIIIII NOOOOOOO.
And he let go because his father said "no" and Loki thought that meant he didn't love him or appreciate him or forgive him or anything!
Also. Alsoalsoalso. That after-the-credits scene? With what's-his-face the scientist dude? And a reflection of Loki whispering what to say in his ear, or whatever that was? I AM ALL OF THE CURIOUS. At least it means Loki's not dead, alls I'm saying!
Okay, okay, I can move on from the Loki-centric stuff.
Like Sif! I loved Sif! I adored her from the moment Thor did his thing with his friends about proving how awesome he was, and he was all, and who was it that proved that a woman could blah blah blah be a warrior? And she was all, I DID, OBVS. ♥SIF♥
Also I loved Darcy the polisci grad student, and the epic levels with which she did not give a damn. It was great. I kind of really want to know more about her now.
Also, okay, yes, whatever, I can talk about the actual main character. He was...I kind of wanted to KICK HIM IN THE FACE when at the beginning he decided to march into Frost Giant Central and pick a fight. And then I was so proud of him and maybe willing to like him when it seemed like Loki'd convinced him to walk away. And then the Frost Giant called him "princess" and he attacked and I went LOL *HEADDESK*
It was pretty great watching him being on Earth and just, you know, being himself without even trying to fit in. I was even fond of Thor by the end of the movie! And I actually kind of liked the Thor/Jane. Jane was pretty great, even if she was a terrible driver and a little too quick to trust/fall in love with the weird dude who fell into her life out of nowhere and who she knows nothing about. But she was a SCIENTIST and DEDICATED TO HER SCIENCE, and I gotta appreciate that.
The one bit about their relationship that's a bit unbelievable to me is that, what, we're supposed to believe that him falling in love with her has magically made him a wiser and more levelheaded person? UH HUH. RIGHT. I have a leeeeetle bit of trouble with that.
Other things! Randomly! In point form!
-I HATE 3D. AND I HAD NO OPTION BUT TO SEE IT IN 3D. *hates with a passion*
-on the other hand, the storm effects and also the falling snow looked pretty great in 3D, even if nothing else did and also the 3D makes it hard to actually focus when things are moving fast and also it makes my eyes hurt.
-Loki does look like Jonny Weir, as people have pointed out. It is kind of hilarious!
-Thor is kind of hot, when he remembers to keep his shirt on. (what? rippling muscles are not attractive to me!)
-Odin was supposed to pluck his eye out to gain wisdom, not lose it in a battle. Maybe that's why he's not a good enough father -- he didn't have enough of the wisdom he was supposed to have
-But he DID have Sleipnir and Hugin and Muninn, so that's pretty awesome.
-That moment of product placement with the Kashi Go Lean Cruch was pretty hilariously obvious.
-All of the Loki fic now pls? AO3 ho!
sentientcitizen and I finally had the chance to go out and see Thor. And OH MY GOD THOR. Ahhhhh SO AWESOME. By which I mean, kind of ridiculous in a lot of ways, and yet I LOVED IT.
Mostly I loved the characters. Blah blah blah plot, WHATEVS.
I have to start out with, well LOKI. I went in trying not to get my hopes up too much, and also trying not to be biased, despite the things I had already spoilered myself about, but I was pretty much a goner. LOKI OMG. He needs a hug and someone to tell him that they love him. Preferably lots of times. Preferably when he was still a kid too. He just wants to be loved! And to know someone's proud of him for who he is! That is a totally reasonable request, yo!
And okay, okay, he maybe didn't choose the most responsible way of trying to get attention. And by "not the most responsible" I mean "tried to commit genocide". Um. In his defense his brother wanted to originally too?
Anyways! Loki's little faaace being all tragic and NEEDING LOVE.
And not gonna lie, I was thinking "you bastard" in an admiring tone at more than one point in the movie. Because he was kind of a magnificent bastard.
But the thing is, Loki does all these things and sets so many plans in play not because he's evil, or because he wants Asgard taken over by the Frost Giants, or anything like that. He just wants to MAKE PEOPLE LOVE HIM.
ALSO. BEFORE I STOP TALKING ABOUT LOKI. ALKHDFLKSDHFOLJHDKHFR HE LET GO OF THE SPEAR THINGY. LOKIIIIIIIIIIIIIII NOOOOOOO.
And he let go because his father said "no" and Loki thought that meant he didn't love him or appreciate him or forgive him or anything!
Also. Alsoalsoalso. That after-the-credits scene? With what's-his-face the scientist dude? And a reflection of Loki whispering what to say in his ear, or whatever that was? I AM ALL OF THE CURIOUS. At least it means Loki's not dead, alls I'm saying!
Okay, okay, I can move on from the Loki-centric stuff.
Like Sif! I loved Sif! I adored her from the moment Thor did his thing with his friends about proving how awesome he was, and he was all, and who was it that proved that a woman could blah blah blah be a warrior? And she was all, I DID, OBVS. ♥SIF♥
Also I loved Darcy the polisci grad student, and the epic levels with which she did not give a damn. It was great. I kind of really want to know more about her now.
Also, okay, yes, whatever, I can talk about the actual main character. He was...I kind of wanted to KICK HIM IN THE FACE when at the beginning he decided to march into Frost Giant Central and pick a fight. And then I was so proud of him and maybe willing to like him when it seemed like Loki'd convinced him to walk away. And then the Frost Giant called him "princess" and he attacked and I went LOL *HEADDESK*
It was pretty great watching him being on Earth and just, you know, being himself without even trying to fit in. I was even fond of Thor by the end of the movie! And I actually kind of liked the Thor/Jane. Jane was pretty great, even if she was a terrible driver and a little too quick to trust/fall in love with the weird dude who fell into her life out of nowhere and who she knows nothing about. But she was a SCIENTIST and DEDICATED TO HER SCIENCE, and I gotta appreciate that.
The one bit about their relationship that's a bit unbelievable to me is that, what, we're supposed to believe that him falling in love with her has magically made him a wiser and more levelheaded person? UH HUH. RIGHT. I have a leeeeetle bit of trouble with that.
Other things! Randomly! In point form!
-I HATE 3D. AND I HAD NO OPTION BUT TO SEE IT IN 3D. *hates with a passion*
-on the other hand, the storm effects and also the falling snow looked pretty great in 3D, even if nothing else did and also the 3D makes it hard to actually focus when things are moving fast and also it makes my eyes hurt.
-Loki does look like Jonny Weir, as people have pointed out. It is kind of hilarious!
-Thor is kind of hot, when he remembers to keep his shirt on. (what? rippling muscles are not attractive to me!)
-Odin was supposed to pluck his eye out to gain wisdom, not lose it in a battle. Maybe that's why he's not a good enough father -- he didn't have enough of the wisdom he was supposed to have
-But he DID have Sleipnir and Hugin and Muninn, so that's pretty awesome.
-That moment of product placement with the Kashi Go Lean Cruch was pretty hilariously obvious.
-All of the Loki fic now pls? AO3 ho!
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By which I mean, oh man, just you wait, Sophia, in the past few days I have written 6000 words and counting of Loki fic, it is going to be GREAT.
I AM GLAD YOU LIKED IT BECAUSE IT IS MY NEW FANDOM LOVE AND I WANT TO YELL ABOUT IT A LOT, BASICALLY.
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YELL ABOUT IT ALL YOU WANT SERIOUSLY. I AM HAPPY TO LISTEN TO THE YELLING. BECAUSE LOKIIIIIII.
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Before I do that, though, let me say that I should probs warn you about the Thor fic that's out there, which is that half the time Loki is a delicate flower and cries a lot and it horrifies me, because he's an utter bastard and more self-contained than anyone before he cracks halfway through. But there is also some good stuff out there!
Oh, and there is nothing I want more than for Loki and Methos to hang out. I bet they would understand one another alarmingly well.
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Please yell about BOTH your fic and the film because BOTH are exciting, obviously!
Oh dear, delicate-flower!Loki is kind of alarming. Becuase he is SO NOT. Oh dear. I will...step carefully.
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Okay okay so um my thoughts on the film are in fact very much like yours! Re: Jane's love making Thor a ~better person~ haha what, seriously, I am especially with you there. I think ... the way I frame it in my head is that it's not so much Jane that helped him as it's just being in another culture, having to rely on something besides Mjolnir, and discovering that not everything is All About Him. And Jane ... sort of represents that to Thor, which is why he's so into her by the end, whilst meanwhile after he leaves, Jane isn't so much searching for him as she wants to know more about that bridge, and if she sees Thor again, awesome bonus. TAKE THAT, HOLLYWOOD ROMANCE.
The thing is, though, that I came to be quite fond of Thor by the end of the film, but Loki's a lot more interesting. Also, who cares about some dude who thinks he's all that and ... has to learn that he needs to be a little more considerate of other people in order for his dad to confirm that he is, indeed, all that? Meanwhile Loki loves and hates his family, who aren't even his real family, and he tries to murder his biological family in cold blood, and all the time he must think there's something horribly wrong with him because he's a twisty intellectual in a culture of people who HIT THINGS. I just. It's fascinating and it completely melts me.
Re: my fic, um, I decided it might be funtimes to write the story in which Loki is the one banished rather than Thor. Because apparently what I actually want is the story about how Thor becomes a better person by trying to help his brother and actually becoming a better person, and also a story about how being on Earth makes Loki mildly less cracked and he doesn't need to end it by throwing himself into space.
(It might also be Thor/Loki, because that's how I roll, but so far it's just as likely to be the tale of Thor and Loki's intense nonsexual love for each other. WE SHALL SEE.)
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I think I shall subscribe to your newspaper about Jane and Thor, because that makes a LOT of sense! I really like it! WAY more sensemaking than what the movie was trying to say!
You are very right about Loki being the more interesting one. Thor's storyline was very...straightforward and predictable, and it's the story of the person with the power and the privilege learning not to be a jerk. Which...valuable and important and whatever, but ultimately it's still saying that his power and privilege are deserved, that of course he's the one to be the hero of the story.
And Loki's story is just TEN MILLION TIMES more interesting, and I'm totally with you on the melting.
OMG YOUR FIC SOUNDS SO AMAZING AHHHH. *flails* I REALLY CAN'T WAIT. *flails more*
(also if I can put in a vote, mine would be for the intense nonsexual love? But of course write whatever the story wants.)
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In conlusion: yay, squee!
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But you should totally watch the movie; it is great. Even if there are too many things already on your to-watch list. My to-watch list is in a similar state....
Here's another argument for watching it now: Now is when it is new and fresh and popular and there are lots of people squeeing about it, and it's always more fun to be excited about something when there's plenty of other people to squee with!
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SHITSHITSHITSHITSHIT
I DID NOT SEE THE AFTER-THE-CREDITS SCENE WHYYYYY Sara was looking at me like "Do you seriously need to watch the credits?" so we left NOOOOOOOO What happened? Is Loki on Earth? Is he sneaking around making trouble for Jane & co.? Can I find this scene on the Internet? Am I going to need a Loki icon? SO MANY QUESTIONS.
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The after-credits scene! I have found a crappy-quality youtube video of it! Loki only gets a single line and an appearance in a mirror but it is STILL AWESOME and question-raising!
AND ALSO wasn't the movie AMAAAAZING? I want to hear all your thoughts!
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...on to different characters! SIF, yes, at the "I did!" moment I almost cheered out loud. I LOVE HER.
And Thor I liked! He was so obnoxiously prideful at the beginning but he's so adorable by the end, he really does become a better person. And he and Jane are the CUTEST -- the romance moves really really fast (I think the whole movie was sort of weirdly paced??) but it's SO SWEET.
Also when did Odin have Huginn and Muninn? I was totally watching for them and I didn't spot any big black birds ):
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I think you are right about the movie being weirdly paced; it was...yeah. But he and Jane are indeed VERY cute together, and I do like how Thor actually becomes, like, a good person! It is great.
I did not notice Huginn and Muninn myself, but
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Yeah! Thor's character development was great. It could've used being spread out over.... more than a day, but it's still so goooood.
And I will take your/Essie's word for it! Perhaps I can wrangle this an excuse to see the movie again :o
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Yes, I think that was my problem with Thor. You do not magically become a better person in so little time!
This is an excellent excuse to see the movie again. All excuses are excellent excuses to see the movie again. :D
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And like I said: JUST OVERALL WEIRD PACING. :I
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Also! It is very much to the excellent, in the bits that you have posted, and now I want to read MORE OF IT because YAY AWESOME OMG. You had better keep writing it -- don't give up! Because I want to read it in all its completed glory!
(I do not notice any weird pacing, but then things like that are hard to judge from small snippets, so.)
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(Oh, no-- I meant weird pacing in the movie, in reference to your saying "Yes, I think that was my problem with Thor. You do not magically become a better person in so little time!" my fic may have weird pacing but I won't know till it's all sorted out :U)
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(ahaha, I totally have the ability to follow the logical progression of conversations...)
AND NOW TO BED. Like I wanted to do um three hours ago!
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RAVEN
WRANGLER
oh my gosh I want my job title to be RAVEN WRANGLER, that's fantastic!
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Ahahaha, oh god. Now I can't unsee it.
I am still waffling over whether to see this or not, because I know I want to see POTC4 and X-Men (X-MEN YAYAYAYAY) in theatres, and three movies seems extravagant.
Mainly I want to see Thor because I have been assured that Loki is amazing, even though I already know I will hate the fandom.
feverbeats on DW has recced some Loki stuff recently, and he has some interesting thoughts on the movie, but I forget if they're flocked.
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I am not a huge fan of a lot of the fandom myself, given the appalling tendency of turning Loki into a dude with basically no agency of his own, which, WTF WTF WTF. Also the tendency of fandom to ship things I am happier not shipping (incest: not my thing).
But Loki is TOTALLY amazing and you should defs see it just for him. And for Darcy. And for all the pretty, of which there is a LOT -- human pretty and cgi pretty and costuming pretty.
feverbeats has indeed locked those posts, but I have commented and asked to be added so I will look forward to reading those things!
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feverbeats is awesome! And happydork wrote a really great gen story (http://archiveofourown.org/works/203519) about Loki and Heimdall which you might like.
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Yay, thanks for the rec! *goes off to read*